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	<title>Comments on: Spam ideas</title>
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	<description>Idea, idea, idea... Now repeat 59 times. Voilà! 59 ideas!</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blackhole list is an useless idea at 59ideas</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackhole list is an useless idea at 59ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had commented before that I&#8217;m not a fan of blackhold list. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 59ideas</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>59ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 15:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said.

Modifying server and sendmail conf is not a technical problem. More a time constrain. 

Consider if you have to look up man page, search online manual, read FAQ or browse mailing list to look for some things you want to configure. Time that I want to spend on many things.

As for RBL, I am not a fan. Why? Because one of the things I do in my last job was managing newsletters for a large online entity. RBL simply ban sites when our list are opt-in and the user just forgot and mark the newsletter as spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said.</p>
<p>Modifying server and sendmail conf is not a technical problem. More a time constrain. </p>
<p>Consider if you have to look up man page, search online manual, read FAQ or browse mailing list to look for some things you want to configure. Time that I want to spend on many things.</p>
<p>As for RBL, I am not a fan. Why? Because one of the things I do in my last job was managing newsletters for a large online entity. RBL simply ban sites when our list are opt-in and the user just forgot and mark the newsletter as spam.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous surfing</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous surfing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 04:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also getting 300  spam / uce messages daily - I've moved to server side solutions to combat the "needle in a haystack" feeling one gets when slogging through the latest 30 messages to find one meaningful one.

Using spamassassin is nice - but tagging isn't the problem - stopping it is ;) .
Using RBL's (realtime blackhole lists) plus throttling agents at ther mailserver level is the latest weapon du jour - and i'm pretty happy with the results.  That in combination with clamav   dspam meets most of my needs.

People get all concerned over how difficult it is to modify a server / sendmail conf, etc. but if you're a k2 tinkerer, it should be right up your alley.  besides, virtual private servers are so inexpensive now and having complete control over where your commercial mail originates is a good thing anyway..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also getting 300  spam / uce messages daily - I&#8217;ve moved to server side solutions to combat the &#8220;needle in a haystack&#8221; feeling one gets when slogging through the latest 30 messages to find one meaningful one.</p>
<p>Using spamassassin is nice - but tagging isn&#8217;t the problem - stopping it is <img src='http://59ideas.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
Using RBL&#8217;s (realtime blackhole lists) plus throttling agents at ther mailserver level is the latest weapon du jour - and i&#8217;m pretty happy with the results.  That in combination with clamav   dspam meets most of my needs.</p>
<p>People get all concerned over how difficult it is to modify a server / sendmail conf, etc. but if you&#8217;re a k2 tinkerer, it should be right up your alley.  besides, virtual private servers are so inexpensive now and having complete control over where your commercial mail originates is a good thing anyway..</p>
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		<title>By: 59ideas &#124; Protecting web form from spam</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>59ideas &#124; Protecting web form from spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While we are still on the topic of spam, I ran across this idea today. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While we are still on the topic of spam, I ran across this idea today. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 59ideas</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>59ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,  the communing part is my only source of dissatisfaction. But the good thing is GMail support POP3 so you can download the mail.

I also have lots of email addresses. On the contrary, I find that reading them all in Gmail is much simpler than setting up identities in Thunderbird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,  the communing part is my only source of dissatisfaction. But the good thing is GMail support POP3 so you can download the mail.</p>
<p>I also have lots of email addresses. On the contrary, I find that reading them all in Gmail is much simpler than setting up identities in Thunderbird.</p>
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		<title>By: stefan</title>
		<link>http://59ideas.com/blog/136/spam-ideas/comment-page-1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gmail is good. I agree. But I would not move to use gmail solely. I have tons of e-mailaddresses, moving them all to point to gmail will not be easy, nor good. It would clutter than single point. Besides, I still want to have the e-mails on my HD because I sometimes go through e-mail while commuting and I don't have an Internet connection.

I download the mail. Sure, it's a waste of time, but I usually turn on my e-mail and then first browse a bit and go through my gmail. The problem is that after that, even though thunderbird has a great spam filter, I still have to go through lots of spam for my main address. Switching main address might be a good idea.

The problem is that, as long as people keep buying stuff from spam mails, the mails will keep being sent. A new e-mail system which has been discussed before with better sender-tracking would definitely work. But that won't be implemented for some time, if only for the legacy that the current mail system leaves.

For now, I'll still wade through the numerous spam mails that aren't being caught. I'm afraid that it's my only solution for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gmail is good. I agree. But I would not move to use gmail solely. I have tons of e-mailaddresses, moving them all to point to gmail will not be easy, nor good. It would clutter than single point. Besides, I still want to have the e-mails on my HD because I sometimes go through e-mail while commuting and I don&#8217;t have an Internet connection.</p>
<p>I download the mail. Sure, it&#8217;s a waste of time, but I usually turn on my e-mail and then first browse a bit and go through my gmail. The problem is that after that, even though thunderbird has a great spam filter, I still have to go through lots of spam for my main address. Switching main address might be a good idea.</p>
<p>The problem is that, as long as people keep buying stuff from spam mails, the mails will keep being sent. A new e-mail system which has been discussed before with better sender-tracking would definitely work. But that won&#8217;t be implemented for some time, if only for the legacy that the current mail system leaves.</p>
<p>For now, I&#8217;ll still wade through the numerous spam mails that aren&#8217;t being caught. I&#8217;m afraid that it&#8217;s my only solution for now.</p>
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